As of 4/11/2026, a possible major update may be coming in the days/weeks ahead,
stay tuned.
Update - We can
confirm our Curley family is not paternally related to the McKerrells of
Scotland. This had been considered due to the similarities between
the spelling for what are most likely early variations of the Curley surname and
McKerrell.
Let's start with some of the facts:
1. Through extensive DNA testing,
we have mapped our YDNA SNPs going back thousands of years. Our focus now is
really from about 250 CE/AD through the
1500s.What we are really looking
for is a historical point of origin, where were the Curleys before they
arrived in Ireland and when did they arrive in Ireland.
2. While overall YDNA testing has
been quite minimal, there are some clear patterns emerging. The branching
under our greater A6119 tree shows clear splits that
mirror the Norman
invasion of Britain and the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland and our family
is historically found in the Norman stronghold of Athlone and
Westmeath. Our lineage appears to have experienced burts of growth during both of these invasions.
Because of this and several surnames that appear to be of a
Norman origin found under our A6119 tree, the Norman origin
seems most likely at this time. Possible Norman surnames
found under our A6119 tree include
Curley (possibly from de Curli but more likely from de
Criol/Kyriel), Burke (but not of
the main de Burgh family), Petty, Constant, Whittle, Best and Tilley.When
you consider how
small a group we have thus far under the SNP A6119, is tends to
support a possible Norman origin over an ancient Gaelic one. However,
this starts to get into speculation and we would prefer to
stay with the facts and simply offer some logical proposals.
3. We have a deep and long
history in the Athlone and Westmeath area, most likely going back to the
Anglo Norman invasion or possibley the later Edward Burke
invasion. Nearly all of the Irish surname matches
we have under A6119 are historically found in the midlands, in the territory
of the ancient Ui Maine'. The evidence
however seems to point to a more
recent arrival,and not of an ancient population group that lived in the Ui
Maine' territory prior to the arrival of the Anglo Normans.
The homeland for our Curley family is right in the de
Burgh/Burke controlled lands, from Athlone all the way up to Ballyhaunis County
Mayo. I do not believe that
is a coincidence.
4. We have DNA testing results
the demonstrate the Athlone/Westmeath Curley family has been using this surname
or a variant of it since at least the 1400s, most
likely earlier. There is currently testing ongoing to narrown
down the genetic distance found in this family. I suspect the family and surname arrived in Ireland prior
to 1400, but after 1169. What we know for certain is the
surname was not acquired through adoption of the surname from some other unrelated
group or family.
The Athlone/Westmeath Curleys are the original Curleys in
this area and did not acquire the surname from some other group. This is absolutely
no sound evidence
to support the surname came from another area of Ireland, any
information that states otherwise can be easily and thoroughly debunked. There is a version
of a
name some have tried to link to Curley but the Gaelic name
being referenced is
actually referring to the O'Herrill family, it is not referring to any Curley
family. .How
someone could "confuse" the Gaelic name for O'Herrill as a
variation of an early form of Curley is unfortunate but our goal is to
refute and debunk such
misinformation which has been done.
5. All evidence supports that our
specific Curley family never had a Gaelic origin and we are not native Irish, at
least not prior to the Norman invasion. There is
actually testing pending that should solidify the number of
years our Curley family has been using the name or a variant of the name. I am hopeful we will be able
to make a big annoucement in the days ahead, there is testing
ongoing to determine approximately how far back the lineage goes under the
shared surname. I am
expecting to see a date back to at least 1350 AD, but it
could be even further. We should know more in the days ahead.
As of this writing, the most
likely origin for our family is the de Curly family formerly of Budbrook
Warwickshire. This family held several estates in England but fell
on very difficult times and eventually lost everything. It's logical that one
male descendant would have gone to Ireland looking for a new start in the Norman
held
Irish midlands. We have distant DNA matches with several Norman surnames who
held control of the midlands and we have DNA matches with others who remained
in England. Our DNA SNP splits under A6119 mirror both the 1066 invasion and the
Anglo Norman invasion. These facts cannot be ignored. With regard to the Curley
surname origin, the most obvious source is Curly or Curli, it's that simple.
Curley did not originate from a Gaelic name, it's always been Curly or Curli going back to
before
the
Normans
arriving in Britain. You will not find any Gaelic name that is the source for
our family, I'm quite certain of that. There was a period when the name
was in
flux,
as referenced by later spellings of M'Kerryle or other variants but then the
name reverted back to its origin forms of Curley or Curly.
There are two possible points of
origin for our Curley family that are more likely than any other proposal, they
are Creully
Normandy or
Criel-sur-Mer. They are also
very close to each other in Normandy. Unfortunately there are very strict
regulations against DNA testing in France, this is probably why we still do not
have a DNA
match to our family back in Normandy. In addition, the only way we will pick up
new DNA matches to someone back on the Continent is through Big Y testing
because
the genetic distance is too great to show up in the standard YDNA testing
results and the matching criteria. Remember we would have split from those
families around
1066 AD. This is why we have not found our smoking gun Continental match yet
however, I am hopeful that will change one day in the near future.
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