As of 4/11/2026, a possible major update may be coming in the days/weeks ahead,
stay tuned.
As we progress through 2026, the
possible origin for our Curley family is starting to come into focus. There are
a number of scientific facts, and quite a bit of possible speculation. The goal
for this lineage is to stick to the facts but we will also offer some
possibilities, as we've done since this started back in about 2015. We have
learned quite a bit since then, it's been a worthwhile journey filled with
discovery. At this point in time, the most likely origin for the
Athlone/Westmeath Curleys is through a Norman progenitor, who arrived during the
Anglo-Norman invasion. It is uncertain if this was a known entity, for instance
a Norman de Curley, de Criol or Kyriel but what is clear is this
family has deep ancestory with a pocket of Norman surnames and the DNA evidence
supports their entry into Ireland as part of the Norman arrival. An ancient
Irish origin for this family seems extremely unlikely and we are not connected
to any other known population groups for over 3800 years. What this means is
that we do not descend from any known Irish group, tribe, dynasty, surname, etc.
While we do have other Irish surnames in our ancient genetic tree, they are not
closely related and they are not representative of the main family for those
surnames. Several of those Irish surnames are most likely Norman surnames that
were Gaelicized, for instance Tully and Flood actually coming from a Norman
Tilley. This was a very common practice for the Normans as they mixed into the
Irish landscape and culture. This is very similar to what they did when they
arrived in France, as Vikings. What is not known is whether we are Normans of
Viking descent, or Normans who were from a Gaulic family that had been there
when the Vikings arrived. Many of these Gaulic families became part of the
Norman culture, and part of their aristocracy. These Normans of Gaulic descent made up
a large percentage of the knights and soldiers that participated in the invasion
of 1066, when the Normans arrived in Britain. Both an ancient tribal identify in
Gaul or a Viking group are possible candidates, but what is most apparent at
this time is the Curley progenitor arrived as a Norman. What is also possible
but probably less likely is the first Curley in Ireland arrived as a Viking,
200+ years before the Norman invasion,
however this seems far less likely considering we may have discovered the source
of our name. I would expect additional surname matches
and an ancient remains discovery matching the lineage to ultimately resolve this
question about our more ancient origins.
Let's start with some of the facts:
1. Through extensive DNA testing,
we have mapped our YDNA SNPs going back thousands of years. Our focus now is
really from about 250 CE/AD through the
1500s.What we are really looking
for is a historical point of origin, where were the Curleys before they
arrived in Ireland and when did they arrive in Ireland.
2. While overall YDNA testing has
been quite minimal, there are some clear patterns emerging. The branching
under our greater A6119 tree shows clear splits that
mirror the Norman
invasion of Britain and the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland and our family
is historically found in the Norman stronghold of Athlone and
Westmeath. Our lineage appears to have experienced burts of growth during both of these invasions.
Because of this and several surnames that appear to be of a
Norman origin found under our A6119 tree, the Norman origin
seems most likely at this time. Possible Norman surnames
found under our A6119 tree include
Curley (possibly from de Curli but more likely from de
Criol/Kyriel), Burke (but not of
the main de Burgh family), Petty, Constant, Whittle, Best and Tilley.When
you consider how
small a group we have thus far under the SNP A6119, is tends to
support a possible Norman origin over an ancient Gaelic one. However,
this starts to get into speculation and we would prefer to
stay with the facts and simply offer some logical proposals.
3. We have a deep and long
history in the Athlone and Westmeath area, most likely going back to the
Anglo Norman invasion or possible the later Edward Burke
invasion. Nearly all of the Irish surname matches
we have under A6119 are historically found in the midlands, in the territory
of the ancient Ui Maine'. The evidence
however seems to point to a more
recent arrival,and not of an ancient population group that lived in the Ui
Maine' territory prior to the arrival of the Anglo Normans.
The homeland for our Curley family is right in the de
Burgh/Burke controlled lands, from Athlone all the way up to Ballyhaunis County
Mayo. I do not believe that
is a coincidence.
4. We have DNA testing results
the demonstrate the Athlone/Westmeath Curley family has been using this surname
or a variant of it since at least the 1400s, most
likely earlier. This estimattion has been verified via targeted SNP testing and
calculating years based upon unmatches SNPs. YDNA str variance also supports
this time frame, it actually puts the date back even further so we're pretty confident
about this date range and suspect it is even further back. I suspect the family
and surname arrived in Ireland prior to 1400, but after 1169. With that said, the
goal here to try and stay away from speculation. What we know for certain is
the
surname was not acquired through adoption of the surname from some other unrelated
group or family. These Athlone/Westmeath Curleys are the original
Curleys in
this area and did not acquire the surname from some other group. This is absolutely
no sound evidence to support the surname came from another area
of Ireland, that
typical internet misinformation and can be easily debunked. There is a version
of a name that some have tried to link to Curley but that Gaelic name
is
actually referring to the O'Herrill family, it is not referring to a Curley.How someone
could "confuse" the Gaelic name for O'Herrill for Curley and then claim they
moved to Athlone and that is where Curley came from is both
disingenuous and unfortunate.
5. All evidence supports that our
specific Curley family never had a Gaelic origin, we are not native Irish. There is actually
testing pending that may provide a big piece
to the puzzle but for now we can be
certain our Curley family and their name did not come from some Gaelic name. In fact, the name
proposed by one internet
source doesn't even have any connection to Curley, the
Gaelic name referenced as being connected to a version of Curley is actually
the Gaelicized version of the
name O'Herill. It is truly amazing the misinformation that can be found on the internet and it is truly a disservice to our name and our family.
It's only a matter of time
before we have the final pieces of the puzzle
and put them in place. I am hopeful once the final conclusive evidence is
presented, the party responsible for posting
the nonsensical Curley origin information will remove it once
and for all.
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